Tom Becka: Hello and welcome to another episode of “TomBecker.com” where everyone has a story to tell. Before I start telling this story, let me tell you a little story about myself. I like animals, but I like people more. Pure and simple, I like people more.
I don’t understand people that are dog rescuers or any kind of animal rescuers. Not that I want to see them hurt or dead or anything, so don’t give me a bunch of nasty email on that.
I just don’t understand the mindset of somebody like that. That’s why I have Julie on the program here to help me understand what it is about being a rescue person.
Julie rescues dachshunds and she’s passionate about it. We talk about some of my issues and we talk about what makes her so passionate about a certain breed of dog that makes her want to go and save them all, rescue them, and some of the things she has done to take care of these animals.
It’s an interesting interview and I really enjoyed it because, again, I’m not that guy. I’m not that guy that gets that wound up over dogs, over pets. I like them, I’ll pet them, I’ll through them a stick and say “fetch,” but that’s about the extent of it as far as I’m concerned. It goes a lot deeper with Julie.
Julie: My dad brought one home to us when I was about nine. His name was Sam and it was a surprise. I just fell in love with him ever since and I’ve had him ever since.
Tom: But there’s one thing between having a dachshund and having a lot of dachshunds. As a rescue person for dachshunds, are you a dachshund hoarder?
Julie: I have four of my own. In our rescue I think we have about 30 available right now for adoption. To some people it might be a hoarding…where they are only comfortable with one dog.
Sometimes it’s a lot. Having four is a lot, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. I’d probably have a 100 if I had some land and could have 100.
Tom: We’ve heard of crazy cat ladies, you’re a crazy dachshund lady!
Julie: Yup. There’s quite a few of us in our rescue group.
Tom: Really? It’s not just you, it’s a bunch of people?
Julie: Yeah. Our board is seven members and we all have dachshunds, some up to seven dachshunds. To have that many dogs you have to depending upon where you live. You have to have an application permit from the Humane Society to allow you to have more than three.
At least where I live any way, three is the legal limit, and then to be able to have more you have to apply for a permit with the Humane Society. I can have up to five, unless it’s changed to six. I did have five at one time and Cici passed in 2010.
Tom: You say you rescue animal, where did you rescue these animal from?
Julie: Our rescue group has gotten to be really, really nationally known now so we could get intake requests from shelter all over the country. Puppy Mills are breeders that are closing down, people that need to surrender their dog for whatever reason.
Strays, it’s a whole game of intake request we get, and they come in daily. This request come in daily, it’s a shame I mean. I wish people would keep their dogs but we get them daily.
Now we’ll gladly take them from the puppy mills and get those puppy mill shut down. But you know sometimes when people are giving away their animals that they have for 10 years, and they’re moving or something like that.
We view the Puppy Mills and the dogs that are close to death or danger of being euthanized or something. Those take priority.
Tom: I have an image of what a puppy mill is, but I’m not sure exactly. So, what’s a puppy mill?
Julie: A puppy mill is a horrific mass breeding facility is strictly for pumping up puppies for money, and this can be with cages stacked on top of each other where they urinate and defecate on each other. They have to fight for food.
These dogs have probably never walk on grass. We’ve brought dogs into our rescue and did an intake at my house several times where it was their first time on grass and they walk very gingerly, because they’re used to the wires of the cage.
Some puppy mills have thousands of dogs, some have hundreds of dogs, and they made them, and made them, and made them. Heat cycle after heat cycle after heat cycle, and then give the puppies to pet store to sell, or Internet operation. It’s horrible.
Tom: Is your problem affect this condition like the sanitary, or is the problem you got affect hundreds of thousands of dogs breeding at the same time?
Julie: It’s actually both of those, plus the problem is they’re crammed in cages, they never see vet care, they’re never fed decent food. When they come to us their teeth are falling out, their jaws some of them are rotted away.
Their tail has been cut off or they come with broken limbs or worms or a heart-worm or big memory tumors. They come with a whole host of diseases potentially because they hardly ever see a vet. They’re cramped on top of each…stuffed in the cages.
They can’t move. Sometimes they have to, if their paws are stuck in the wires or something, they have to literally chew off their leg to get free. The conditions are horrible. They’re horrible. It’s no way that a pet or any animal should…
Tom: In puppy mills, are certain animals or certain dogs more prone to be in a puppy mill than others? Are dachshunds more likely to be in a puppy mill than, let’s say, pit-bulls or anything in between?
Julie: All breeds and cats. All breeds and cats are in mills.
Tom: And of course, if they get busted, if the cops come in and bust them, then their fine, in jail, and in some cases…
Julie: That’s the problem. It’s not illegal. They’re not illegal. All they have to do, all these puppy millers and breeders have to do is provide food, water, shelter, and visit a vet once a year and that’s acceptable.
In Nebraska which is starting to become one of the biggest puppy mills states, because we have really wide-open spaces.
They stick these cages in the middle of nowhere, and there is no shelter, there’s no shade, there’s no safety from the snowstorms. Some of them get too hot and die, and some of them get too cold and freeze to death.
Tom: Are there good puppy mills out there?
Tom: Are there good mass breeders out there?
Julie: No. There might be some good specific breeders that breed for the integrity of the dog and to maintain the integrity of that particular breed, but they don’t breed in mass.
They might breed a litter once a year or once every five years or something, but mass breeders or puppy millers, there’s no good ones out there.
Tom: If the puppy millers are coming to you to rescue them, are they getting tired of them and say, “Look we have all of these dogs. Here, you take them. We can’t take care of them.”? How do they come to you?
Julie: If we find out that a puppy miller is going out of business and they’ll work with rescues, we’ll definitely take the dogs. We try to have a relationship where we can acquire the dogs and give them the home environment and the life that they deserve.
We hear about possibly a bunch of dogs being dumped somewhere and then we try to go and get them wherever they are dumped.
Tom: So you’ll get a tip on that and you’ll show up.
Julie: Sometimes,..It’s a fine line.
Tom: What do you mean?
Tom: Let me ask you this, would you ever be proactive in a rescue? In other words, would you ever say to the dogs rescuers…Would you ever go to a puppy mill that you’ve found out about, go in and unlock the cages and bring the dogs and kidnapped them, if you will, to treat them?
Julie: It would have to be undercover. It would have to be a mission, a secret mission. It has been done. Our rescue has never participated in it, but I know of rescue throughout the Country that do undercover and will go in and get the dogs out of these situations that they’re going to die in.
Tom: This is going to sound, maybe, more harsher than I mean for it to sound. There are starving children in the world, there are abandoned babies.
There are homeless men and veterans and people like that, why does your heart bleed for Dachshunds, instead of worrying about that? Why aren’t you at a homeless shelter working?
Julie: My heart bleeds for those, for the homeless and for the abandoned babies and also for the elderly. My heart bleeds for that and I do…I am an advocate for that. There are a lot of people that are an advocate for babies and the elderly and homeless people.
I feel that my calling was for the dogs. They have no voice. They need someone to be their voice. That’s what animal rescuers do.
Tom: That would be no matter what type of animal it was?
Julie: Yes, we have taken breeds into our rescue group that are not dachshunds.
Tom: You have?
Tom: Now is that acceptable?
Julie: Is it what?
Julie: Absolutely. Any dog that’s in danger. If somebody calls us and they say “Oh, this dog is going to be killed tomorrow,” we’ll take it. We will work and network.
We have a huge nationwide network that we work with to work with other rescues to see where that dog can then eventually be placed.
We will at least tag it to come to Nebraska Dogs and Rescue to get it off death row.
Tom: What do you mean tag it? For what?
Julie: It will say on its cage Nebraska Dogs and Rescue. Not to take it in to be euthanized.
Tom: I see, so it may be at the Humane Society, but you will have a name-tag on it so that…
Julie: Yes, that dog is spoken for. Correct.
Tom: When you do that, what do you do when you rescue the dogs? Is it possible that you do the cycle? In other words, “Hey, we’ve saved this dog. Oh, here somebody else wants it.”
Then you find out that it is another puppy mill. What a background check do you do on the people that adopt the dogs?
Julie: They have to fill out an application. We review their application. On their application, they have to put references on the application. We call all the references.
We also do a home visit. We go physically to their home and walk around and make sure that it’s acceptable for the dog and visit with the family, make sure that that particular dog that they’re interested is a good fit with that particular family.
It might not be. If we know that this particular dog doesn’t like children and they have small children and we approve their application, then we’ll work with them to find a dog that’s a better fit for them. People are going to say we’re crazy, but we do…
Tom: I’ll say it right now, you’re crazy.
Julie: We know it, but we will do what’s in the best interest of that particular dog. Even if it means making somebody mad and making them irritated. They’ll say, “Oh, we weren’t good enough for that particular dog.” That’s really not the case. The case is we’re doing what’s best for the dog.
It doesn’t mean that you’re a bad person. It means we’re putting this dog in the best possible scenario that we can, to the knowledge that we have, and do what’s best for the dog.
Tom: You said, “People will say you’re crazy.” Is that a perception of rescue people? I’ve talked to people that was a ferret rescue or a St. Bernard rescue. Is the image that rescue people are crazy?
Julie: I suppose it could be. I don’t think rescue people are crazy. I suppose it could be. I think that there’s probably crazier people out there than me.
Tom: Well, you’re not hurting anybody. You are right. There are definitely crazier people than you.
Julie: I think there’s probably more fanatical people out there than me. I think a desert turtle probably would trump somebody’s ranch-land. I mean would not trump somebody’s ranch-land.
In Nevada there was that big stink about getting the cattle off some land that was grazing there because the desert turtle or whatever it was called needed to be there. In my opinion, both could co-exist together.
Tom: So you’re not necessarily PETA people?
Tom: What do you think about PETA? You are also a rancher, right?
Julie: Yes. My family is. I don’t have one yet. I’m looking. We were ranching this weekend when we were branding the cattle which I had some ways to design how to brand cattle. I’m anti-fur. I think PETA is anti-fur.
There’s probably some things that I’d change if I was the head of PETA.
Tom: You don’t want to piss all the PETA people. They can make your life hell. They’re the crazy ones. My words, not yours. In other words for being a rescue here, some people collect cars, some people collect old radios. You collect dachshunds.
Julie: Yes, we rescue them.
Tom: Rescue them?
Julie: Yes. I guess you could call it a collection. I guess I have a collection of…
Tom: I mean you have all these dachshunds.
Julie: My house is filled with dachshund stuff. [laughs] .
Tom: What do you mean dachshund stuff?
Julie: Like a dachshund calendar and dachshund wall hangings and dachshund figurines and dachshund jammies and dachshund…
Tom: I have to ask? When you say dachshund jammies, you mean you have pajamas with dachshund on them?
Julie: Of course.
Tom: Or do you mean pajamas for the dachshunds?
Julie: No, jammies with dachshunds on them for me.
Tom: It’s like look snookums, it’s time for bed. Put on your pajamas.
Julie: They get too hot. I can’t do that. They get under the covers and they’d get way too hot.
Tom: I’m thinking OK, you’re the dachshund rescue for this area. Let’s say somebody else wanted to start a dachshund rescue 20 miles from here.
Could they do it or is it a thing like, is there like some organization that oversees all this and says no. We got one in a 60 mile radius. You can rescue St. Bernards, or you can rescue golden retrievers or something like that. Right?
Julie: Right, absolutely. There is no stipulations or boundaries. If somebody wanted to open a dachshund rescue right next door to my house, they could. As long as it was a reputable, appropriate rescue and doing it for the right reasons, by all means do it.
Tom: How do you know it’s reputable? You say, OK I want to start a dachshund rescue and the next thing you know, I’m another puppy mill or somebody that abuses animals or something like that? How do you know it’s a reputable rescue?
Julie: You bring up a good point because some people do call themselves a rescue, and they are not a rescue. They can be a puppy mill or a breeding facility or a hoarding facility. Most reputable rescues will follow the charity guidelines.
They will acquire a 501,C3. They’ll have by-laws. They’ll have board meetings. They’ll have officers of the board. They’ll conduct monthly meetings and have minutes available for the public.
They will bring the dogs in, give them appropriate vet care, make sure that they’re placed in an appropriate foster home, make sure that they’re safe, make sure that they have food, water and will provide that if the fosters are not comfortable providing the food.
Generally our fosters will feed whatever they are feeding their own dogs, which is good. We have visits by the Department of agriculture here in Nebraska.
We network with the other rescuers that fall into that ballpark that have done the steps to gain knowledge about what does it take to be a good charity, whether it’s rescue or boy scouts or a church or whatever. We want to follow the appropriate guidelines to be in good standing.
Tom: Do people write checks to rush with these dachshunds because they don’t want to rush with themselves? Then say, “Hey. It’s a good cause. Here’s 50 bucks. Go. Feed the dog.”
Julie: Absolutely. Yeah. We are a 501,C3 so any donations that are made to our rescue group are a tax right off. We have a fund drive of over the holiday where an anonymous donor was going to match $2,500 for every dollar donated.
So we were able to get $5,000 right around Christmas, which is very helpful because a lot of the dogs…if we keep getting something from Texas, or Florida or Arkansas or California or Missouri. We have brought in some heart worm-positive dogs. To treat heart worm is quite expensive.
We are very thankful and appreciative of those people that donate to our rescue group. They can keep it coming [laughs] .
Tom: Yeah. And again, this is me. Again, I think about all that money could go to help feed the kid.
Tom: That money could go and help educate a child. That money could go and help some homeless person go on to rehab or something that is better than human’s life.
Julie: Right. Absolutely. It could.
Tom: I am not trying to…
Julie: I know but there are a lot of people that think that way. You know, ” Why aren’t you using that money for human causes, etc. etc.” But thankfully, there are a lot of charity organizations that do attend to those needs as far as protecting children and homeless and you know, elderly.
Abuse of elderly really hits a chord with me. I have the real problem with that. I would also get myself involve in that if I have the time. We are just…we are strong animal lovers.
Tom: Let us talk about the time aspect of it. You said, “If you have the time”. I mean you have a family, right? You got a job. You said your family has a ranch. I mean that would take us a lot of time. How much time does it take to be a dachshund rescue person?
Julie: Oh, boy. Well, the time has…we started our…We formed our board in 2008. About six years ago, this time. It that was the end of April 2008. We were some “rinky-dink” I guess, rescuers. We formed our board and set on meetings right over here actually. On Kansas, I think it is.
That was six years ago. It didn’t take a lot of time. It took more time promoting, getting the dogs and bringing them in and finding fosters.
Now, with social media, with the increased awareness with our group…we are a nationwide group now. With that come a lot of demands for time. The time is bringing the dogs in.
First of all, answering all the emails, all the phone calls, bringing the dogs in, making sure they’re cared for, go to their veterinary appointments, getting to their new homes, doing home visits for fosters and adopters.
Sending out veterinary records to those that adopt. Talking back and forth on the phone a lot. I mean, our adoption director, foster director and events director–everybody on…our volunteer director.
Everybody on our board is busy. It’s a lot of social media upkeep. A lot of communication upkeep. Just working with the veterinarians. We have different veterinarians in the area that we worked with. We have some in Kansas and in different states that we worked with. It’s a lot of time.
Tom: When you go to rescue a dog, do you go there or the dogs come to you?
Julie: Both, but we have a nationwide network, transport network that our foster director works with.
Tom: Who funds that? Is that?
Julie: I think some…that’s all volunteer unless they get…it must…whoever is transporting from Texas with the rescue. They have their funding. They come up to Austin. From Austin to Dallas, Dallas to Oklahoma. We set up legs of transport and fill those with the dogs.
Tom: Those finally were all done through the Internet, and emails and stuffs like that?
Julie: And phone calls. Yes, absolutely. We put please out on our Facebook page, rescue page. There’s a ton of network, animal rescue network pages on Facebook and people that we worked with that help coordinate all that.
Tom: Let’s talk about that real quick. We’ll do it again at the end of the podcast. When you say Facebook page or you got a web page and all that. Give out some of the addresses.
Julie: Oh, so our web page is nebraskadachshundrescue.org. Our Facebook page is the same. I think we are in the process of setting up Twitter. I have never Twittered so I don’t…or tweeted [chuckles] whatever. [laughs] What it’s got. So, I don’t know.
I think that we’re getting that. I think that we’re setting Instagram. I’ve e never done that either. Of course we have our phone and fax and our mailing address. Most people will reach us on our Facebook page or either our website.
Tom: Hypothetical situation. It’s Thanksgiving. Families are all getting ready for dinner and you’re all set to go over dinner unto grandma’s house for dinner or whatever and you get a phone call.
There’s a dachshund in need. Do you just say, “Sorry, family. I got to take care of this.” Or you’ll just say, “Sorry, dachshund. I’ll just pick you up on Friday.”
Julie: First we ask how immediate the need is. I mean we are always available. There might be times that we don’t answer our phones or we don’t answer our email right away but normally we’re always available all the time.
We want to know how immediate is the need. I mean, do we have a couple of hours? Do we have a couple of days? Depending upon where the dog is then we’ll work with our network. Like let’s say, if it’s in Missouri or Kansas. We’ll work with our contacts down there.
Yeah. We have done that over the holidays and we’ll continue to do it over the holidays.
Tom: But the question was more on the lines of what takes the precedent? The family or the dogs?
Julie: Well, it’s a tie [laughs] .
Julie: I mean, you might get a different answer from someone else but I guess it would depend upon if…generally, one of us were always available to have that discussion. If I was out on a beach with my family, hanging out. I’d probably want to differ that somebody else who’s home.
Julie: Not having big to-do on Thanksgiving.
Julie: But they are both important.
Tom: In other words, it’s on case-by-case basis.
Tom: That would be a good way to put…
Julie: That would be a good way to put it.
Tom: How does your family deal with this?
Julie: They understand. They understand. We’ve had dachshunds in our whole life. If given I did leave them home. When we went out branding for the weekend though because it’s on the advise of my mother, which was very smart.
She said, “You know, the cattle are going to be under a lot of stress. We have gotten some new ones in so that previous ones were getting used to the new ones. They were getting used to each other. We have 102 to brand.”
Her concern was that maybe they’re barking and some of that. Their wild behavior might have spooked on and made them even more nervous. After they brand [clears throat] …excuse me.
After you brand them, they’re probably not going to gain weight for about three or four days because of the stress that they endure.
Julie: They want to try to minimize the stress. They didn’t come first for that. I mean I can prioritize appropriately [laughs] .
Tom: That’s all you are…Hey if you try to brand some cattle the last thing you need is the cattle will stress out.
Tom: More so. They would be having their butts be with the hot iron.
Tom: The whole idea here of the dachshunds and you say you have them when you were a child. Is that a farm childhood memory? Or what…
Julie: Very much.
Julie: Very much. He was a great dog. He was a great dog. My dad loved him to death. It is. My dad has passed since…he passed in ’06. It’s even more fun I guess now. In fact, my youngest dachshund that I have now that was born at my house almost five years ago.
I named him after the dachshund my dad brought home when I was about nine because he started exhibiting the same behaviors that this dog did, that my dad brought home.
It was almost my mom and my sister and my sister called that a god-wink where Dad is looking all out overhead and giving you these signs. He behaves the same way that dog did.
Tom: Any idea why your dad picked the dachshund as opposed to any other animal?
Julie: I don’t know why. I have to ask my mom. I think he liked wiener dogs. It might have something to do with their nickname because my dad had a really good sense of humor.
Julie: It might have something to so with their nickname [laughs] .
Tom: I made that mistake too. I made that mistake earlier, before I started the podcast and I called it the Chihuahua, which is totally different.
Tom: They are right. The dachshund is bigger and fatter and longer.
Julie: And longer and it has a fun nickname. Wiener dog.
Tom: Wiener dog. There you go. Oh [laughs] .
Julie: Yeah. So, you can imagine where we go with that at times.
Tom: I doubt it now, “Hey. In the podcast you can say whatever you want but that is between you and your family.” I don’t want to…was it? As a child you already had a wiener dog, right?
Julie: Mm-hmm. Sam.
Tom: It was Sam?
Tom: So, you got Sam. What is the life expectancy of a dachshund?
Julie: Generally 15 to 17. Some have lived to be over 20. I think our Sam was about 13. Wrinkles was about 13. Then Cici, she was 15.
Tom: Now, help me out here. Were all these all at the same time? In other words, did you have a lot of wiener dogs?
Tom: So, that is what I am getting at. You got the dog that you had when you first…the Chihuahua that you had when you first…
Tom: Dachshund. I’m sorry.
Tom: Yeah, it’s Sam. You had Sam. You had Sam. You were nine. And you said he was 13 years. So, you’re what? You’re 22 or so when Sam dies. Do you want to go and replace him on and then start the dog rescue then. Have you started a dog rescue before?
Julie: Oh, we started our dog rescue here in Nebraska in 2008. So, there were a few years…
Tom: You’re just a regular dog owner before you became a dachshund person. Did you start it or did somebody find you?
Julie: Well, what happened was there was a group of girls that was sitting around at a dog, dachshund play date, called Dachshund Anonymous and that…
Tom: Oh, I’m sorry. I’m sorry.
Tom: Wait. You and some girlfriends are hanging around, right? You’re having a conversation at a dachshund play date.
Tom: That was like, OK. You’re all friends. You all have the same types of dogs. You’d say, “Hey. Let’s all go out to the dog park. Let the dog turn around.” Is that what happened?
Julie: Yeah. Now, that group is called Dachshund Anonymous and it’s a very big group now where every month they get together. A lot of dachshund owners get together and socialize their dogs.
They have a great time talking with teach others families, talking about dachshunds and the dogs get to socialize and play together.
Tom: What do you say about a dachshund after you’ve said everything about a dachshund? He’s a dachshund. That’s a nice dog. It’s cute. The dog’s name is Sam. What else is there to talk about?
Julie: Their personalities, their behavior, how they irritate you, how they make you laugh, what they do, he did this, he ate that, he chewed this, he wrecked this, he tore that, I have to get a new this, I’m going to take him here, we’re going to go there.
Tom: You talk about your dachshunds the way that moms will talk about their kids.
Tom: Is your dachshund a kid?
Julie: I have four of them. Yes. Absolutely, I treat them like kids.
Tom: Do you have children?
Julie: No, I do not.
Tom: You don’t have children, but you do have the dachshunds. You consider them your children.
Julie: Yeah. They’re my priority, so to speak.
Tom: To be honest, I have a tough time understanding that.
Tom: I don’t know. I don’t hate animals. I don’t hate dogs. I like people more.
Julie: Yeah, you’re more people driven when on the charitable side.
Tom: For me, it sounds OK, “We all get together and talk about dachshunds.” It sounds crazy to me. At the same time, every Sunday during football season, I’m with a bunch of other guys from Cleveland.
We all watch the Browns play, which would seem completely stupid to somebody else but for me, I find it enjoyable. I’m not knocking it. I will admit, I don’t understand it.
Julie: It is like, I wouldn’t say a hobby, but something that everybody has the same interest, the same love. It’s a very heartfelt feeling. They are our kids.
Tom: I’d mentioned earlier that in the past I have talked to a few rescue people. One rescued ferrets, one rescued goats and one rescued Saint Bernards. Is there a type of animal that nationwide universally has the most groups that want to rescue them?
Julie: I don’t know because these groups that you just mentioned those are all breed specific groups, like the Saint Bernard and the dachshunds and I suppose it’s a certain goat.
But maybe it’s different kinds of goats. There’s also all breed rescues that will take in all breeds. There’s a lot of those nationwide.
In fact, we have one here in Nebraska, down in Auburn, called Hearts United for Animals, which is where two of my dachshunds came from before a rescue group was formed. A lot of rescue groups, all breed and breed specific are all over.
The dream would be one day to have all rescue groups go away, which would then mean the puppy mills are gone, the crappy breeders are gone, the shelters are gone. Then, it’s responsible breeders maintaining the integrity of the breed and we can get our dogs from those people.
Tom: What kind of dogs are most profitable for the puppy mills?
Julie: I think they all are. Because it’s all puppies. Everybody wants a puppy.
Tom: It doesn’t matter if it’s a pit bull, or if it’s a little Lhasa Apso?
Julie: The pet stores, as you’re probable aware of, ask hundreds of thousands of dollars for these puppies that are coming out of a crap hole in BFE, Nebraska, where the mom and dad are going to be living there for the next 12 years in crappy conditions.
Stuffed in a cage, no freedom, no space to run around in, no soft place to sleep, no soft place to walk, doesn’t know what a blanket is. It’s horrible.
Tom: You’re getting emotional about that, aren’t you?
Julie: Yeah. When you see pictures and you smell the smell, and you see the reality, something has to change. That’s why we rescue. We want to make that change.
Tom: If somebody wants to find out more about this, how do they get a hold of you?
Julie: They can go to our website, nebraskadachshundrescue.org or we have the Facebook page, Nebraska Dachshund Rescue Facebook page.
Tom: Thank you, Julie, I appreciate that. Interesting interview, interesting conversation. Yet, I still like people more. That’s me. I do like the people, which means, if you do want to get a hold of me, follow me on Twitter.
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