For a Drag Queen its all about the Entertainment… season 1

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Tom Becka: Hello and welcome to another edition of TomBecka.com, where everyone is extraordinary, and everyone has a story to tell, and this is quite the story to be honest with you. I had never really thought about interviewing a drag queen before but as I asked around of friends and family, and I’d say,” You have anybody that is a good subject for the Podcast?”

I had a friend at work say, “How about a drag queen? I’ve got a friend who’s a drag queen.” I said yeah, well of course, that’s what this whole show is about, about finding people that we might not have a chance to ordinarily meet, and getting to know people a little bit better, and then find interesting people with interesting stories.

This story is not only interesting but it’s a lot more poignant than I thought it was going to be. It was a lot deeper than I thought it was going to be. I’m going to be honest with you, I kind of thought of the drag queen life as being something that was just rather superficial. But really, this interview took a turn that I wasn’t anticipating, and that I found fascinating and I hope you will, too. Here’s Anna Roxia. Is drag queen the right term any more, or does it have a more politically correct term now?

Anna Roxia: No, I think drag queen is totally acceptable, especially in the entertainment world of it all. There are so many different ways to call a man in a dress. It just depends on what they’re doing it for, and I think drag queen, in my experience, is an entertainer, is what I am.

Tom: For you it’s an entertainment thing?

Anna: Correct, yeah.

Tom: When did you start? I’m in entertainment. I got into radio and I got into doing stand up comedy. At no point in time did I think, “As an entertainer, I’ll just put on a dress.” What was it for you to think, “I want to do this sort of thing?”

Anna: Growing up in the gay world and gay culture of which there is such a huge culture that a lot of people don’t know about, and the gay clubs and the circuit clubs especially in the 90’s and early 2000’s. I was in college and I would go to these clubs. I would see these fantastic women that weren’t women, come out of the ceilings of these clubs in these huge costumes.

It was just so glittery and shiny and glamorous, and they would come out and dance and perform. I saw it almost as a form of Kabuki theater that you would see in Japan or on Broadway. I just thought it was spectacular, and I wanted to be a part of that.

Tom: As a child growing up, did you want to dress in women’s clothes?

Anna: No, I remember I tried on my grandma’s heels at one point when I was a kid when we would play house and stuff, and I loved being in heels. For some reason, I loved the sound it would make on the ground and the tile and stuff, but there was never any urge to cross-dress or any want to be a woman or any sexual desire at all. It was really just for fun.

Tom: Being a drag queen, is that different than being a transvestite?

Anna: Yeah, I think transvestite to me and cross-dressing is a man who puts on women’s clothing, and there is some sort of sexual desire. I don’t even know how to put it, I’m not super familiar with it all, and then there’s transsexual who is someone who is transitioning from male to female or female to male, and that for them is an entire lifestyle change.

For the ones I know putting on the dress in the beginning when they start as drag queens, start entertaining, and realize that that is just who they are and they want to live that way all day, every day.

Tom: Do you have any desire to live as a woman?

Anna: No, none whatsoever.

Tom: This is true in pretty much every profession, everybody gets into it for various reasons?

Anna: Yeah.

Tom: Your situation is just that you just like to be an entertainer?

Anna: Right, I’m in it for the show. There’s such a huge difference between the makeup of it all, the stage makeup, it’s very meant for spotlight.

The costumes are just like you would see in a playhouse. It’s not just everyday boy in a dress or anything like that. It’s really extravagant, very expensive to do it.

Tom: What I notice in just a little bit that I talked with you and a few others about preparing for this interview is that most of the drag queens have got pretty funny or at least clever or whimsical names. Because your stage name is…?

Anna: Anna Roxia.

Tom: Anna Roxia?

Anna: Yeah.

Tom: OK. What kind of a personality does Anna Roxia have?

Anna: It’s really evolved overtime as I’ve learned what I enjoy about performing and what I didn’t. I started out scared to death of the stage. But I knew I wanted to be a rock star type of chick. I was super, super skinny, and everyone made fun of me because I was the thinnest one. They were like, “You look anorexic.” Instead of anorexia, I chose Anna Roxia, because I wanted to rock it out.

Tom: [laughs] . Walk me through the whole process, here. You’re a young man going to some gay clubs. I assume like many of my gay friends, you knew at an early age that you were gay?

Anna: Yeah. I was very young.

Tom: Yeah, you knew. Was this a problem growing up? In other words, I’m going play pop psychologist here for a second, OK?

Anna: [laughs] . Sure.

Tom: You’re a kid who maybe doesn’t feel comfortable being a gay young man, trying to figure out who you are. Then adolescence is a tough time for everybody. You’re young, you’re going to college. You go to this club, and you see this escapism. You think, “You know what? I want to be a part of that escapism.” Am I just reading too many books, or watching too many movies? Or is it really like that?

Anna: I think that’s too simple of a way to put it. I had already escaped. I was disowned when I came out at 17, and pretty much told that night, “Do you want your stuff on the porch or on the curb?” I grabbed what I could and I left, and I drove to Fort Lauderdale. By the time I got there, I had about $17 left in my pocket.

I had signed up for college down there. I’d been there on vacation once, and I knew I wanted to go back. I’d signed up for college and I was able to be put in a dorm when I got there, so I had a place to stay that night. That was my escape. Everything else that I saw and learned was just experience after experience.

Drag in the clubs there was just one of those, but it stuck with me. When I came back home years later that had always stuck with me, and when I saw drag queens here for the first time I was reminded of that experience before in college. I looked around and I was like, “I think I can do this.”

Tom: Can I get back to when you come out and you say, “I’m gay.” No offense, your parents couldn’t have been too surprised. I just met you and I said, “You know what? That guy’s gay.” I mean, your parents couldn’t have been too surprised. Were you surprised about their reaction to you?

Anna: I was shocked. My parents were divorced, so my father was not around. I was with my mom, and we were extremely close all through my childhood. She was an amazing mother. She struggled, we struggled as a family, but I never in a million years thought that she would disown me, even though she was extremely religious. That religion grew as I went into my teens.

She became a minister, it was the Pentecostal faith. There was just no tolerance for homosexuality in that particular church. She followed the church and not me.

Tom: I can’t imagine what that drive must have been like, from here to Fort Lauderdale, and just what was going through your mind.

Anna: It was terrifying. I had never gone anywhere by myself. I was scared to drive out into West Omaha…

Tom: [laughs]

Anna: …let alone across the country. But it changed my life for the better. I ended up traveling all over on breaks, because they would kick us out of the dorms. We had nowhere to go, so we would just travel.

Tom: You say you wound up coming back home, living back here now. But did you reconcile with your mom?

Anna: Eventually, yeah. It’s never been the same, and I speak to her maybe a couple of times a year. But we keep it very cordial. We love each other, but I just don’t think that we can accept each other in our everyday life.

Tom: Does she know that you’re Anna Roxia?

Anna: No. Not to my knowledge. I think she may know, because most of my family knows. But I’ve never gone to her and thrown it in her face, or anything. I’ve tried to be really respectful and just say, “If you want to know that bad, it’s literally everywhere around me. I am pretty well known in the community.” She would know, if she chose to know, I think.

Tom: You talk about the rest of the members of your family. Was it a big family? Did you have brothers and sisters?

Anna: Yeah. I have five brothers and sisters and they’re all halves, split between my father and he remarried, and my mom remarried. But I feel like they’re all full blood siblings.

Tom: Yeah. How did your dad react?

Anna: He reacted pretty well. He said he’d always known since I was probably seven. But being divorced when I was very young, there’s always been a little bit of space between my father and me. For him, I think it was just easier to swallow because it wasn’t in his every day life.

Any way that he could possibly be on the opposite end of what my mother was saying and feeling was just fine with him.

Tom: Now, I’m thinking about this because of the way my mind works, sometimes. Almost in sitcom sort of a thing, let’s take now not the actual tragedy of what you went through. But I just see a sitcom developing here, where you tell your parents that you’re gay, and they’re, “Oh, my God,” and they’re all shocked. Then you drop the bomb that, “Oh, by the way. I’m a drag queen, too.”

Anna: [laughs]

Tom: As your family, when they found out that you were a drag queen, how did they react to that? I could see that one might be easier to handle than the other.

Anna: Yeah. My father when he found out and my step mom and that whole side of the family, they were in a little bit of shock. My step mom was really good about making light and just being like, “Look, oh my gosh. He looks like Cher, he looks like Liza.” But they would never, I don’t think, come and see me perform. I think it would be a little too much…

Tom: Have you invited them?

Anna: …especially for my dad. What’s that?

Tom: Have you invited them?

Anna: Yeah, I do invite them to certain shows.

Tom: But they haven’t come yet?

Anna: So far not. My sister has, and she’s always just like, “I can’t believe how pretty you are.” You end up looking like your sisters and mother, a lot of people will say when you get put into drag makeup. As a boy, you usually end up looking like an aunt, or a sister, or a mother.

Tom: From my world, this seems weird to me. I’m not being judgmental or anything, it’s just that if I was to be in a dress and a family member said, “Oh, how pretty you are. You look just like your mom,” or whatever, I’d be creeped out.

Anna: [laughs]

Tom: You’re not, obviously.

Anna: No. I think it’s obviously, for me, I’m used to living in this world. It is totally different for a lot of people. I view the gay community and drag as almost like geisha, back before World War II. It was a huge part of culture there, and it was these people who had spent their entire lives developing this stage act.

It’s extremely extravagant, and the lifestyle is a little weird. But then all of a sudden, it was just exposed to everybody. Some people I would think, would be, “OK, this and that could be taboo.” Others would be like, “Oh, no. It’s beautiful.” That’s what drag is turning into right now as it hits TV and it hits radio. You’re seeing more and more everywhere.

I think people are going to slowly get more and more comfortable with it, and they’re going to see that it’s really just an entertaining, fun thing, that’s always been with the gay community but now it’s going to be seen everywhere.

Tom: It’s interesting you say that, because I remember as a kid watching the Ed Sullivan Show. The Ed Sullivan Show was a show that had everything. You had rock stars, but you also had comedians. You had opera singers. You had jugglers. He had a little bit of everything. I do recall, there was somebody and I will never remember his name — but this guy would show up on the Ed Sullivan periodically, dressed as Barbara Streisand, or Judy Garland, or something.

He was a female impersonator and it was accepted. I remember my family we would all get together on Sundays and watch the show. I would remember, I’d go over to my grandparents’ house, and just comments made about this performer when they were up there. I think there was more bitching about the length of the Beatles’ hair than there was about this guy performing in drag.

I think there was maybe some denial. I think they might have just said, “Oh, no. He’s just a man, it’s a Broadway thing,” and it was accepted and not really as being a gay thing. Do you think that as the gay community has come out, has this made the drag queen more acceptable or less acceptable in the artistic world?

Anna: That’s a very good question.

Tom: Again, as a kid growing up, I just saw a female impersonator on TV as being, “Well, OK. It’s a form of entertainment.” Now, I would see it as being, “Oh, it’s a gay thing.”

Anna: Right. I think as the gay community has gained our rights, has gained momentum and things around the country, I think it’s just become one pill after another that America has to swallow. As they swallow the marriage thing, or don’t ask, don’t tell or all that, I think mentally people put our rights one foot in front of the other one, right after the other, to where transsexual rights and just seeing a drag queen, or whatever the next thing may be. It’s like, “Oh, what’s next?”

Really it’s all just part of the same community, asking for the same thing as everyone else. There is no, “What comes next?” It’s, “Well, I’m a drag queen but I am a gay man. What I do is entertain the gay community and the straight community.”

Tom: Are there straight men that just enjoy the entertainment aspect of it?

Anna: Oh, yeah.

Tom: Are there straight drag queens?

Anna: Yeah. It’s not often that you run into that, but we do have straight men that are back up dancers for us a lot. It’s because there is a lot of theater aspect to it. There’s a lot of choreography that goes into it. People want that theater outlet. They come to us and perform with us.

But as far as putting a straight man in a gay club, I have performed in straight clubs all over, too. You always get that first timer that his wife puts him in the front row…

Tom: [laughs]

Anna: …and he’s just spluttering, and he’s so uncomfortable and scared to death that we’re going to come up and say, “Hi.” By the end of the show when we’ve just made everyone comfortable and had a great time, they’re the ones on their feet, smiling, laughing, clapping and wanting pictures with us. They realize that there’s nothing to be afraid of.

Tom: He’s not scared to death that you’re going to say, “Hi.” He’s scared to death that you look so good he’s going to hit on you and not know that you’re a dude.

Anna: [laughs]

Tom: That’s what he’s scared of [laughs] .

Anna: You think so? I don’t know. You’d think they would know.

Tom: Yeah, if you’re in a club like that. But on the other hand, how do these drag queens — if you were out in a ball gown at some big social event, it would be tough to tell, wouldn’t it?

Anna: Yeah. Especially around here, there are several who are just absolutely stunning. We’ve all argued, was he really straight before — but a friend of mine, he was a really straight guy. He was a tattoo artist, big muscle guy that you would never expect to see in a gay club.

He saw a friend of ours perform one night. He was in love with her immediately. This is someone who’s just a drag queen, just an entertainer, lives as a boy, but he was just so in love with seeing her on stage that he ended up almost marrying her. They’re not married yet, but they’ve been together for years and years.

Tom: A straight guy comes to see a friend at…Were they friends or just somebody that they saw on stage?

Anna: Just saw this entertainer on stage and was so enamored with how beautiful she was. It took a long time for him to be comfortable with the idea…

Tom: You think?! {laughs]

Anna: …that she’s a boy. But, eventually, just people are people and you can’t help who you fall in love with.

Tom: That is fascinating in that regard. I couldn’t imagine.

Anna: It’s hard to imagine. I can’t imagine falling in love with a woman.

Tom: Could you imagine going to a club and seeing some woman up there singing, whether dressed as a man or not. Could you see somebody up there and think, all of a sudden, hey!

Anna: It’s very hard to imagine. But the idea of falling in love with a person and not something on the outside I think is important for people to think about. That’s why when the gay community says, “Love is love,” we really mean it. People should be able to love each other, fall in love with each other regardless, just based on who they are, not what they are.

Tom: You said something earlier about just one more thing the straight community has to swallow. That’s part of the problem I think with a lot of straight people is that they feel as if you’re always pushing sexuality down somebody else’s throat. In other words, it’s like, fine, you’re gay. I get it. Move on.

How would you react to somebody like that, that thinks that gay people are just trying to push an agenda? As opposed to, fine if you’re gay, just leave me alone and I’ll leave you alone and we’ll be fine.

Anna: I would say it’s no different. There is no agenda other than I want to be able to be treated exactly the same as you in every way especially when it comes to our laws. Until we do that, I’m not trying to push anything down your throat, but if I can convince you to vote for someone that is going to help make marriage legal for us so you don’t have to hear us talk about it anymore, then, right on,

I would love it if you would join our cause. If you don’t want to, that’s totally fine. But I view it as no different than civil rights or women’s rights or anything else where people need to be treated completely equally under the law.

Tom: Knowing that this podcast is going to be heard all over and not just here in town, there was a case that happened here a couple weeks back from when we recorded this. That is that there was a big drag show in town. A straight man that was with their friends who were all in drag wound up being beat up in the entertainment district in town, the old market. The thing was that it was protecting or defending his buddies when there were some drunks at 3 A.M. who were trying to create a scene.

For me, as I looked at this story, it was more an issue of the safety factor of being in that part of town at 3 A.M. more so than a hate crime if you will. You know what I mean? There are people who get mugged all the time at 3 A.M. in the morning coming out of a restaurant in some parts of town.

Anna: Of course you can call an assault an assault, sure, but you have to look at why it happened and how it happened. They were approached specifically because this boy was wearing a dress. They were hassled and followed outside specifically because they were gay and one of the men was in a dress.

Tom: But these assholes that were out there that night, I could have been walking out of there wearing one of my Cleveland Browns jackets and this guy could have been a Chiefs fan and done the same thing. For me, it’s a violence issue more so than a hate crime issue.

Anna: It sure is a violence issue. However, when it happens to a member of our community because they are being seen as gay or being seen as strange or weird or different because of the clothing that they wear, I think it is a hate crime. They’re specifically being picked on for that reason.

Tom: If you’re a Cleveland Browns fan, you get picked on [laughter] for the coat that you wear all the time!

Interviewee: Sure, but you’re not being beaten. There’s a difference. There is a difference between yelling at each other for a sports type of thing or strapping someone to a fence and beating them until they’re dead. We’re trying to stop big things like that from happening. It could have been a lot worse. If our straight friend had not been there to defend our drag queen friend…

Tom: Were you there that night?

Anna: I was not there. They’re just good friends of mine.

Tom: Do you think you’re making progress? Obviously, more states…

Anna: Oh, sure.

Tom: …are allowing gay marriage. The latest survey I saw, basically, the polling in America anymore is that most people just don’t really give a damn. In other words, they have gay friends. They have gay family members. They just don’t really care that much. People might have their own religious beliefs and they care from that regard but, overall, it’s just live and let live.

Anna: I think it’s an unstoppable train. If you talk to even the most extreme conservatives, they say it’s something that’s going to happen. It’s just how much can he slow it down. It’s coming. I think that we’re going to be viewed equally.

We’re going to look back. I’ll talk to my grandkids. I’ll be like, “Back in the day, I used to go through this, this, and this in high school, and I went through this with my parents, and my friends went through this on the streets.” Some of the things that people with the biggest microphone in this nation have said against gay people and the gay community are going to be viewed as completely hateful and horrible in the future I think.

Tom: The very fact that you just said you’ll say to your grandchildren without any sense of irony or anything shows, again, the progress that’s being made.

I want to get back into the show business aspect of this now with the drag queen thing. I know that these outfits are rather extravagant. How much have you got invested in your outfit? How much have you got invested in your Anna Roxia persona?

Anna: Over the years total? Tens of thousands of dollars.

Tom: Really?! Can you make any money in this? In other words, are there competitions? Do you get paid to perform?

Anna: Yeah, I get paid to perform all over the Midwest and outside of the Midwest. I’ve traveled a little bit. In town, you get paid depending on the show. Also, I’m working usually three times a week on the weekends. Then, also, there are the pageants where you run and you win prize packages and things. It’s really set up just like Miss America, Miss Universe, and all that. There are competitions and you go in with the package and hope to win against others.

Tom: Not asking what you make but give me a low range and a high range of what a drag queen can make performing. Can it be lucrative?

Anna: It can be. You just have to be really smart, especially when you’re starting out, because you need to prove who you are and what you’re capable of doing. A lot of that requires really cool outfits and things, but you don’t have the money. If you don’t have a name built up yet, you’re not going to get paid as much. On the low end, when you’re first starting, you may only make $20, $40, $50 a show just being tipped and things like that. Then, the high end of the famous queens around the country, the RuPauls, they’re making 3, 4, $5,000 each appearance.

Tom: RuPaul is still around doing it, huh?

Anna: She is still around doing it. She’s making way more than that. [laughs]

Tom: I remember RuPaul was big. Was it VH1 or MTV back then? But I don’t think I’ve heard the name RuPaul in, god, 15, 20 years.

Anna: Now that she’s done the “Drag Race” thing, she’s made huge strides forward for all of us just putting a spotlight on it.

Tom: Do you want that? Because you’ve got a regular day job. Do you want to be a big time drag queen star? Is that your goal? Or is it just a matter of it’s a fun thing to do on the weekends but I like my regular nine to five life here?

Anna: For me, I am kind of a nomad when it comes to stuff like that. If it happened, I would love it and have a blast with it. If it didn’t, I’m completely content with my career path that I’ve chosen. It is hard to manage both of them. A lot of queens have said it’s their goal and their ambition to get a national title or get on TV and whatnot. I’m not driven to that extent. If it falls into my lap and if I do well as I go, then great. It’s not something I’m going to chase after.

Tom: When you were talking about what it’s like being a drag queen, like you said, first, show’s 50 bucks till you build your name up, it sounds just like when I was doing stand-up comedy, what it’s like being a stand-up comic.

You end up doing open mic nights in dive bars and then you build a bit of a name and somebody wants to hire you. You made 50 bucks. Then somebody else sees you and say, “You got experience? We’ll hire you.” You make more and more and more to the point where you can actually maybe make a living at it. It’s the same sort of a thing.

Anna: It’s exactly the same. Some of the places I have performed in you would just not believe. It’s just incredible.

Tom: You and I were talking about this before the podcast started. That’s one of the old concepts of what this podcast page is all about. It’s finding out that we have these barriers between us as human beings, but we’re a lot more alike than we want to admit. We’re a lot more alike than we want to admit whether it be race, color, creed.

A friend of mine had a joke. He said, “I never understood anybody that hated somebody because of their race, their color, their creed, their sexual orientation because, once you get to know people on a one-on-one, individual basis, there are so many perfectly good reasons to hate them.” [laughter]

You’ve been doing this now. Is there an age limit? I’m guessing you’re probably in your early 30s.

Anna: Yep, 31.

Tom: Can you be 60 and still doing this or is it just like, “Look at the old hag”? [laughter]

Anna: The ones that have gotten older and become famous for what they’ve done as impersonators, I think they just keep going until they can’t do it anymore. A lot of them go on and they get their eye lifts and their lips done and everything just to stay up with it all like everybody else does as they get older if they choose to stay looking young. For me, I can’t imagine doing it past my early 40s just because it’s not in my blood that long. [laughs]

Tom: Mick Jagger said he couldn’t imagine singing “Satisfaction” when he was 40, so you never know. Really, I’ve never been to a drag show so I don’t know.

Anna: There’s always just young, young blood behind you, and they’re gorgeous, and they’re coming up. You have to try so much harder. It’s already harder for me. I’m 10 years older than some of these queens coming out, and they’re doing splits and backflips. I can’t even imagine touching that anymore.

Tom: That’s it, too, I guess. What is the act? In other words, is it acrobatic? Are you singing? Are you telling jokes? Are you dancing? Does each drag queen bring their own flair to it?

Anna: It really just depends on what you want to bring to it. There are so many different types of drag and so many different ways of expressing the entertainment part of it. I’m a celebrity impersonator, mainly, now. I do Cher and Liza and Gaga and all that, so I don’t have to do backflips and splits. [laughs]

Tom: OK. Look, you say you do Cher, Liza and Gaga. Could you be more stereotypical? It almost sounds like a drag queen cliché.

Anna: It is. It’s actually funny, because I started out — A lot of drag queens do have a shtick and they stay with it. I started out as what we call a shock queen, which was extreme makeup and glitter and extremely overaccentuated features.

It’s not beauty, it’s not what you would expect to see as a woman walking down the street, it’s overexaggerated. I transitioned that into beauty, just to see if I could and learn the makeup, and then once I learned how to do different types of makeup, I wanted to be a queen that could do any kind of makeup, so I started dabbling with celebrity impersonation.

Now I can do all of that. It’s adding ammunition to your box and you’re ready to go to war against these other queens in competition. That’s the goal, is to be able to beat them in a lot of different rounds.

Tom: Do you know in advance of them…in other words, if you’re doing an event, let’s say it’s either a show or a competition, you’re doing an event, and you’re going to go with Cher. You show up and there’s three other Chers there. Do you guys know in advance what everybody is doing, or…?

Anna: Not in competition. In competition, there could be three other Chers, and let’s just stack them up, and see who’s got what it takes. In shows, in just entertaining, we do know who’s going to be in the show and we contact each other via Facebook and stuff and just figure out, so none of us do the same thing.

Tom: You’re all different that way.

Anna: We want to be as entertaining as possible for the audience, so we don’t want to have two queens come out and do the exact same number.

Tom: This has been fascinating. Seriously. Because this is so far outside of my world, that…you know. I can’t imagine wanting to go see a drag show. Then again, I can’t really imagine wanting to go see a lot of other entertainment either that is obviously very popular.

Do you ever think that drag will become a mainstream form of entertainment, or will it be kind of a niche thing like an opera or something like that? Do you ever think though, it will become…I guess RuPaul became mainstream, huh?

Anna: Yeah. She definitely took it to a mainstream level, and I think in the future, it certainly could continue to go that route. We’ve got drag queens now that are walking for designers, and things on runways. On reality TV all the time, they’re being booked.

Starting to see drag queens and transsexuals just booked in prime-time TV as well. I think it’s all just coming out a little bit at a time, and it could end up becoming a form of mainstream entertainment, like a dinner theater, and things like that. But, as far as being Monday Night Football, no, it’s not going to happen.

[laughter]

Tom: You won’t be filling 18,000 seat arenas with this.

Anna: Right. Not right now. In Vegas, that’s about as big as it gets for us, right now, is Divas of Las Vegas and things like that.

Tom: Every city in America has a casino now. Do they go to other casinos? Casinos do shows like that too, or is it just like a Vegas thing, or could you go down and be doing a show somewhere down on the Gulf Coast or something?

Anna: You certainly could. I do shows here, at our casinos. I just finished our Halloween show. I’ve been doing shows for a few years here. They’re mainly straight audiences, which is the best part, they’re loving it. They’re coming in from the casino, sitting down and watching the show.

Tom: Going back to the stand-up analogy here, that I always use. Do you get hecklers at those shows? I mean, mean-spirited hecklers. People that are there and maybe they don’t even know what’s going on there in the casino. There’s a show going on, let’s go see it, and the next thing you know there is some grunt going “Hey you faggots, get off the stage,” Has that ever happened?

Anna: I have never experienced that. I’ve been afraid that it could happen, but I’ve never experienced it, and I think what it boils down to is they’re more afraid of us than we are of them.

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Anna: They’re just so scared we’re going to come and sit on their lap or something. If they’re uncomfortable, they slide out the back.

Tom: Don’t say slide out the back when we’re talking about something like this. [laughs] Anna Roxia, thank you for joining us. This has been interesting. Do you have a website or anything, if somebody wanted to find out more about you, see what you look like?

Anna: Mainly, just follow me on Facebook. That’s what I have everybody do right now, and if I choose to take it a little bit bigger, in the future, I will throw up a web page, but right now, it’s just Facebook/annaroxia.

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Tom: I want to thank Anna Roxia for being so open and honest with me here today on tombecka.com. It was not what I expected, to be honest. I’m not sure what I expected with this interview, but this wasn’t it. It was, I thought, fascinating and interesting and I hope you do too. If you did like it, would you share with your friends, would you put it out on your social media, let people know about tombecka.com, where every Sunday, we have a different interview, a different story to tell.

Every Sunday, we bring a new, interesting person from all walks of life. Somebody that might live next door to you, but stories that they just might not tell you, but they’ll tell me here, on tombecka.com.

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