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Rick Bultez, he is a hypnotist. Hypnosis, the whole idea of hypnosis fascinates me, what the subconscious can do, what is in people’s minds, how they react, how they behave, what they would do if they let their guard down and what the mind can accomplish when it let’s its guard down.
Rick does both show hypnosis, does entertainment for night clubs and after proms, all of that. He also does critical hypnosis, helping people get over their fears, helping people deal with smoking issues, weight issues, or whatever it may be.
As much as it fascinates me, what hypnosis can do, it also fascinates me why somebody becomes a hypnotist. So I started off with a very basic question, how and why do you become a hypnotist?
Rick Bultez: How? There are various different ways. Again, whether you’re going to go into the entertainment side or you’re going to go into therapy side.
Why? For varying reasons. I’ll cover the why I did. First is because I actually went to a hypnotist for therapy after a bad marriage and noticed the immediate effects of it and how, even after going to counseling for two, three years, that it just didn’t do as much for me in the very short time of six months as going to a hypnotist.
Being from an entertainment background, the lights just started going off. It’s something I can do as I get older and it’s something I can do now to satisfy that entertainment bug that all entertainers have.
Tom: You said something here that puzzles me. I’ve heard of people going to hypnotist to stop smoking, lose weight, behavior modifications like that. I’ve never heard of anybody going to a hypnotist because they were getting out of a bad marriage.
Rick: Certainly, it’s all about the same type of, for the same reasons. The main reason for hypnosis is to find the root cause. When I say that, is I always try to paint a picture for people so they understand. If you would just picture a sunflower growing out of the ground. Say, it has eight yellow leaves.
It’s growing fine. You’re watering it every day and it’s going along. It’s growing great. One day, you walk up and one of the leaves is brown. You probably ask yourself, “Why is one of the leaves brown?”
Well, I use that description because what happens with hypnosis and therapy but therapy takes longer because they want to hear you say it. They want you to figure it out. Where hypnosis goes right to the root cause. If you were to take that sunflower and pull it out of the ground, what do you have?
You have a very intricate root system. Well, one of those roots, or a combination of, is causing that one petal to go brown. That’s really how hypnosis works. Once you find that root cause, it’s very easy to change the behavior or the emotions of the situation, whether it be a relationship or anything of that matter to change it because you can go right to the root cause and it’s a lot quicker.
I mean, that’s kind of the…
Tom: In other words, it’s like if you are wondering why, maybe, you’re always drawn to the same type of woman or why you act the way that you do in a relationship, through hypnosis you can get to that root cause earlier than if you were going to go and lie on a couch and talk to a counselor for how many hours.
Rick: Yeah and just regurgitate what he wants you to say. It takes longer to get to that root cause and some people never do in a counseling situation.
Tom: What made you decide to do that? I mean, because it makes sense what you’re saying but who lead you in that direction?
Rick: Believe it or not, I don’t remember where I was at but there was a gentleman that, I think, is still local, Dr. Bronstein. He had a non-profit organization which he was a hypnotist at. I ran across him one day and he just explained it to me. I thought, “You know, I’m going to try it. It’s not going to hurt to try it.”
At that time, I was a lot younger, so I was on a sliding scale, so it wasn’t that expensive. I went in, tried it. We did three sessions and boom. I found out exactly what was going on in my mind that was causing me to have bad relationships and the really adverse reaction to break-ups.
Tom: The hypnosis helped you get through this and you’re married now. Have you been married for a long time?
Rick: I’ve been married now for 13 years.
Tom: So it worked out.
Rick: Yeah, the end result was basically I kept repeating the same behavior. It stemmed back at that time to my mother, believe it or not, because my mom left me when I was younger. Subconsciously, I learned that women leave. When I get into a relationship, subconsciously, again, I thought they were going to leave so why try? I sabotaged the relationship from the front part of it. Do you understand what I’m saying?
Tom: Right, yeah.
Rick: I learned where that came from and, actually, as a little boy, I feared my step-mom. I feared my step-mom and my mom left me, so what I did was I was able under hypnosis to have a conversation with them in a safe environment which allowed me to relieve all the tension, the feeling the hatred, and all that kind of stuff.
Tom: Is that having a one session thing, a hundred session thing? How long does it take? How many hypnosis sessions do you have to go through before you reach that realization?
Rick: It’s going to vary from person to person. If somebody’s honest with themselves and, I don’t want to say researched, but they’ve had some insight to their problem, it doesn’t take long at all. Sometimes, you’ve got to search for that root. But once you find it, the good thing about hypnosis is immediately we can attack, if you will, the emotional side of it.
We can make you feel the self-esteem things and things like that. Immediately, you’ll start to feel better, but you won’t feel whole until you find that root cause. Once you find that root cause, it’s virtually one session. Just like smoking, once the person makes up their mind that they want to quit smoking, it’s very easy.
Tom: How do you get that root cause? Is it a thing that’s always in your subconscious or do you have to make it a conscious effort to not keep on repeating that same behavior?
Rick: No, what hypnosis does with…Again, the subject has to allow it. Once they recognize the problem and they say, “I want to change the problem,” then they’re telling you, you can go into the subconscious mind and flip those switches, as people say, or take out the bad behavior and substitute it with good behavior thoughts or the emotional part of it.
It’s very easy but, see, what people don’t understand is the subconscious mind is lazy. It takes in everything. It remembers everything but it’s on a literal sense.
In other words, to give an example of that real quick, I ask people, “Have you ever been in a situation, whether it be happy, sad or violent, or whatever, where something was done to you and you reacted? Then, maybe, a minute or two or even an hour later, you said, ‘I don’t realize why I reacted that way.’?” all the time.
Well, it’s because in the subconscious mind, it quickly finds the quickest and closets reaction to that situation and spits it out. That’s why sometimes it’s not exact because you haven’t experienced that exact same thing, so you don’t know how you’re going to react.
Once you experience it and you know how you’re going to react, then the subconscious mind will record that and the next time you’re reacting the way that…
Tom: I have a friend, he teaches psychology and he says that a newborn baby is really only afraid of two things. One is loud noises and two is falling. Anything else is all learned. He said, “You could put a baby right next to a lion in a cage and unless that lion roared or knocked the kid off, the kid’s not going to be afraid.”
Tom: Everything else is learned, right?
Rick: Yeah, we’re a blank hard drive when we’re born. It is learned. That’s why you see…
Tom: By the way, I’m not encouraging anybody to put a baby in a lion cage. I just want to make sure because lawyers may be listening. If somebody does it, I don’t want, I don’t need the trouble. [laughs]
Rick: I thought you had already done it.
Tom: That’s fine. You were saying, we’re a blank slate.
Rick: Yeah, we’re basically a blank hard drive. Again, the subconscious mind just starts absorbing stuff. The other thing, inherently, that a baby wants to do is eat. It’s funny if you think about even animals that when they’re first born, the first thing they want to do and they know right where to go.
You’ve got puppies and stuff with their eyes closed and, again, I’m not comparing the two, but it’s just that instinct that we have when we’re born. They want to eat.
Tom: Right. It seems like a normal instinct.
Rick: We’re a blank hard drive. They’ve done studies where they’ve had twins where they…
Rick: …separated, because they’ve always wanted to say that you’re still a product of your DNA and I believe in some ways that you are but, I think, outside influences if you are small enough, actually, plays a lot more into it than your DNA.
Tom: Well, yeah, you say that and at the same time, you could have kids that are raised in the same family and each kid reacts differently to the stimulism their parents given them, right?
Tom: I know with my siblings, we’ll talk about things and they’ve got memories of growing up that I don’t even recall that are very important to them. I’ve got stuff that was like turning points in my life, they have no recollection of whatsoever. We all take in different stuff, right?
Rick: Well, think about, again, this is where the environment comes in. Think about, now, you’re the youngest or the oldest?
Tom: I’m oldest.
Rick: OK, you’re the oldest so, usually, the oldest child. When first starting out, the parents don’t have as much money. They’re taught, OK, you hear where I’m going with this? They’re taught more conservative. We don’t have the money for this. You’re taught and you’ve learned that you don’t get things without earning them or your parents can’t afford them so you learn to be appreciative of what you got.
Move 10 years down the road to one of your later siblings, the parents maybe have a little bit more money. Do you understand what I’m saying?
The lessons are a little bit less because the old saying goes, “The first kid’s a test.”
Rick: The rest of them are, “We’re going to learn off this one.” In some ways, I feel, that that’s true because of those things, the environment and the things that they’re allowed to have. Your dad or your mom might have got better jobs so your younger sister or brother…
Tom: I’ve got a sister that’s 11 years younger that I am and, really, we joke about the fact that she was raised by different parents, just because of the age difference between me, the oldest, and her, the youngest. We get a long great and everything but her opinion of our folks is different than mine because…
Rick: Of those…
Tom: …of the age difference there.
Rick: Well, and those immediate circumstances. You might have had somebody that was born about a year or so, two years within your time period and you had similar experiences but not quite the same as your sister. It makes sense.
Tom: You were in radio for a number of years. You were in entertainment and all of that. Then, you go on a couch because of a broken up marriage, so you get hypnotized and, now, you’re starting to think, “I want to do hypnosis for entertainment.”
I mean, because what we just talked about here was pretty intense and intellectual. Not necessarily, the sort of thing you’d be thinking about of some night club hypnotist. You know what I mean?
Where do you go from being the entertainer to the guy that is now messing with people’s minds like this?
Rick: On an entertainment side?
Tom: Well, both. Walk me through the process of the guy with a bad marriage who then…
Rick: I only mess with…
Tom: …takes it to next level.
Rick: Let’s get this straight, I only mess with people’s minds that don’t pay me.
Rick: If you pay me, I fix things.
Tom: Really? They don’t pay me, I mess with their knee caps but it’s a different attitude, a different approach to it but yeah.
Rick: I make you forget your name. As an entertainer, to start with, I was in radio. Radio is one of those jobs, and I don’t have to tell you, for me, it was very addicting, to know you’re going to turn on a microphone and there could be 50 to 300,000 people listening to you.
To some people, that would be scary. But, to me, that was enticing. It was that adrenaline rush, like a race car driver. I got into that and then things in radio changed. Again, I don’t have to tell you. My last year, I was on, here in Omaha, KGOR97, I believe it was.
When they deregulated everything, there wasn’t the money or the prestige in it, like it used to be. You didn’t need anything to be on there. I remember when you used to have a FCC license. I don’t even think you need that anymore.
Rick: You just need the ability to turn on a microphone and throw on some carts or they don’t even have carts anymore. Everything’s automated almost. It got kind of boring for me. I didn’t think in those circumstances I was going to move up or go to where I wanted to go, morning show. Everyone wants to be the morning show guy.
Everyone wants to be the guy on top until you get there. I got out of radio because there really wasn’t any money in it and I had a family. I had two young boys. I thought I was done with entertainment and then, I said, “I’ve got to make a living,” so I went out and started a DJ company. A few years down the road, I had 15 guys working for me and was doing a lot of weddings and things like that.
Got back into radio on a part-time basis and then everybody wanted me to do everything. I’ve got 15 shows, but everybody wanted me. You just can’t be at 15 places and you’ve got to try to explain to these people you’re trying to make money. I’ve got to make money, so I need these 15 people and I’m going to kind of oversee it. People don’t look at it that way.
I decided, “I’m just going to get out of entertainment altogether.” I got out of entertainment altogether, went into a totally different field for about two years, then I started driving my wife up the wall. I remember back to when this gentleman hypnotized me and how neat of a feeling it was for me and how I’ve seen a hypnotist entertain before. I thought, “Wow, this is where I want to go.”
Now, I got a lot of flak from my wife because my initial classes were about 2500 bucks. Trying to get $2500 away from your wife is impossible.
Tom: You’ve got a good business going. Things are going well. You’re like, “Hey honey, I want to sell the business and I want to become a hypnotist.” That had to be an interesting conversation.
Rick: She thought about having me committed. Then, the other famous question, “Well, how much are these classes?” with that look. You know, they’re looking down at you. I had to convince her. The funny thing is she wasn’t convinced until I did my show because corporate pays pretty good.
Once I brought that first check home, then it was pretty good. What I decided to do was I was going to do both. I went to school become a therapist side of it, knowing though that my money was going to come from the entertainment side at that time because of my background.
That’s how it started, me being in the corporate world with a DJ company and radio that was real easy for me to establish and to build a clientele list. Then, it just kind of took off from there.
Tom: Once some of the businesses found out that you were doing hypnosis, they said, “Oh hey, we’ve got a company party, we’ve got a big company meeting, we need some entertainment for our banquet and you were the guy.”
Rick: Yeah, a lot of people that knew me, either from my short time on the radio or I did their sister’s wedding or… [coughs] Excuse me. Yeah, that was how I got into it.
Then, again, it takes off. It takes on a…I don’t know. It takes on its own kind of persona because when you get up there. When I went to classes for the therapy side, it was a lot easier to do that because of the fact is the way therapy is done.
Where I went was which is at National Guild, so one to six depth of hypnosis. One here, six here, one being a twilight which you can institute any change you want, smoking, weight loss, like that. A six is where you have a C section without anything, without no, nothing. That’s pretty deep.
Tom: You’re saying the mind can get to a point where you can have surgery without any anesthesia because…
Rick: Yeah, it’s called pain amnesia, yeah. A matter of fact, in one of my clinicals, I had to watch a C section of a lady who’s under hypnosis. It’s called hypno-birth. It takes a few months to work with the doctor and then to work with the patient. This lady sings a Boston song the whole time. That was her thing she wanted to do under hypnosis. Cut her up, took the baby out, and it was done.
Tom: Somehow, more than a feeling, it seems appropriate if she’s getting a C section without any medication. Here’s the thing. You’re talking about using it from clinical standpoint. At the same time, what kind of real training do you get from something like this? It’s not like you’re going after a PhD. You’re telling people you’re getting sleepy, and that’s it. How intense is the training to be a hypnotist?
Rick: It could get as intense as you want it to. You can fly to Vegas and take a weekend course and get your certificate to be a hypnotist, but there’s a whole lot more to it than that. When I took my first classes for stage, I did go to Vegas, but it was a six-day seminar, there was 28 people in my class. I could tell you right now, there’s only three of those people that are doing anything with it.
There was a guy that flew all the way in from the UK, would let anybody hypnotize him. I think it was nuts. He had to spend 10 grand with flights and the hotels. I’m like, “Why are you here?” I guess it was a hobby for him. I don’t know. It’s still a personality. It’s still different than…
Tom: Is there any sort of certification to be a hypnotist?
Tom: You got to pass a test. Does a state license you? How does that work?
Rick: No, there’s no state. The National Guild has its own guidelines. The National Guild has been around since 1950, so it’s the oldest and largest organization. On the state side, there really is no regulation, but if you don’t take the therapy side from the right kind of people and you don’t take…I take continuing education classes all the time.
If you don’t take those…Hypnosis, in it of itself, is harmless. But there are a couple of things that you need to know, especially if people have past thoughts or things that surface. It’s happened before. You got to know how to take care of them.
Tom: I’m jumping around here a little bit from both sides here. Even with the stage show though, have you ever hypnotized somebody and something comes out of his subconscious that is so either bizarre or so deep and personal that you don’t necessarily even want to follow it up or they go on, they say something that is so inappropriate that it bothers you? You know what I mean?
Rick: No. Again, that comes in with experience, knowing how to word the suggestion, knowing what to say and what not to say. Has it happened? Oh, yeah, not on my stage, but it’s happened, because again, you’ve got inexperienced people out there just blurting out suggestions and not knowing what’s going to come at you.
To give you an example, an age aggress. Age aggression’s a big thing where hidden things can come up. When I age aggress, I say these things. I say I’m going to take you back to whatever age, just say six years old. I’m going to take you back to six years old. You’ll only have happy thoughts. No horror to come to you from present, past, or future. Only happens happy thoghts will remain with you.
I’ve covered all my basis there subconsciously. The subconscious what that means. The person knows what that means, because the subconscious is going to be the one that’s going to be releasing these things that are going to be coming out.
Have I ever been surprised? Yes. Have I ever been surprised in a way that I thought I just created something here that was bad? No, no, not me.
Tom: Now, that’s with the stage show. On the other hand, have you ever had any dealing with somebody in the third recession? That’d be different, right? You would want necessarily for them to talk about the bad stuff.
Rick: If that’s what they’re in there for. They may go that direction, because we can have an open conversation in a therapy session. I don’t want to use therapy because it sounds clinical. In a hypnotic session, we can have open communication with the subconscious mind. Whichever way the subconscious mind goes gives me good indications on where that root cause is.
If it goes there and it accents from the body language, maybe sweating, maybe shaking, maybe voice tones. If I sense that that’s not where they want to go at that time, I re-suppress that memory, I’ll bring them out and we will talk about it on a conscious level until they tell me that they’re ready to deal with it. Because if you bring it out and you try to deal with it when they’re not ready, then it will create problems.
Tom: You mentioned the word therapy and then you back off on that. i would imagine that there are people out there who are PhDs who have gotten a long college training in counselling, in therapy, but look at you, as a hypnotist and say that you’re not a therapist. For that matter, are there concerns because you haven’t had so much training that you’re getting into an area that, yeah, maybe should be left more to professionals?
Rick: Again, it comes down to your schooling. We are learning from people who have the PhDs in that. The funny thing about the clinical side of it is that over the last 10 years, especially, that I’ve been in the business, you see a lot of doctors, you see a lot of counselors, you see a lot psychiatrist learning about hypnosis and taking classes.
It’s no different than 15, 20 years ago when every thought Car-O-Practor were clacks. I swear by mine. It’s one of those things where people have to…Again, there’s no exact science to anything that we do. We just have to be open to the suggestion that there is stuff out there that’s better.
Tom: You’re finding more and more people accepting the idea of hypnosis.
Rick: Yeah, I’m actually getting ready to certified in forensics, hypnosis.
Tom: You mean like if somebody a murderer or if somebody saw a crime, being committed going to their subconscious to find out what they saw?
Rick: Yeah, it’s a more intricate way of getting a sketch, getting evidence, because when they’re in the sub-conscious mind, they’re reliving that moment. The other thing we could do is we can slow it down, we can slow it down without emotion. When we slow it down without emotion, they’re not fearful. They can take that time to look around and remember what their eye has seen. It is very effective.
When you take it into a courtroom though, that’s where it gets a little hazy, because you got the defense people. They’re doing their job, and I understand, but they’re going to come at you from all different angles, questioning you, “Oh, did you plant that suggestion or whatever?” It comes to the schooling and knowing how to ask the questions, making sure you’re dot in your eye.
Tom: It might be more useful with the police to help them get close to go and find the solution more than going up there and using you as an expert witness in the testimony.
Rick: It would work either way. I see where you’re going. Yes, to get an identity of a suspect, to me, is more important, because then the police can go around the DNA and all of that, which there is nothing to dispute. Yes, but can we testify? Yes. We just got to be ready for the hot seat.
Tom: This is so multi-faceted. Are most hypnotist…In order words, do clinical hypnotist also do a stage show? Do hypnotist also do therapy like you’re doing or the other aspects of it? Is it pretty much you’re one breed or the other?
Rick: The fine thing about it was hypnosis has been around since you’re mesmerize, Mesmer, 1700s. He’s the one that perfected it and figured out how to do all that without going into the boring details, but quite a few years ago, 20, 25 years ago, it was 10 percent clinical, 90 percent entertainment. The last 15 years, it’s kind of flipped.
I couldn’t really honestly tell you if it flipped because people were going, we need to get more serious about it, whether they were trying to build the organization bigger or whatever the thing was. It flipped. There is a lot of people that do the clinical.
They have a…When is it? In April, they have a huge convention every year in Massachusetts. There’s probably thousands of hypnotists out there.
Tom: It’s all about clinical hypnosis.
Rick: It’s all. You can take classes for anything. The funny thing about it is they all do a show every night, because again, doing a show…I get more work off my shows for the clinical side of it than I do if I run a add in the phone book, because people are there. They’re going, “My friend would’ve never done that. Wow.”
Tom: They probably know somebody who stops smoking through hypnosis or some other habit that they broke because of hypnosis. They thought, “It worked for Charlie, maybe I’ll try to do it.”
Rick: I did a show three weeks ago, I did live shows here at Oklahoma, but I did [inaudible 29:27] , is it OK to say that?
Rick: I did a show there, and there was a gentleman that approached before the show. He says, “Look, I want to quit smoking. What’s the chance of that happening?” I said, “You want to quite, they’re pretty good.”
I started going through the question thing. A lot of people want to question it. I just said, “Look, here’s one more deal. Have seat after my pre-talk,” I did a monologue pre-talk for my show. “If you feel comfortable, come on up.”
I did my pre-talk, he came up. Not only was he the star of the show, but at the end of the show, I told him that the first cigarette that he took a drag out of was going to taste just like he just lit a horse hair on fire. I left him alone. He went. I was talking to some people, and everybody was coming over, dragging me out, he’s getting ready to take a drag.
He threw them things down, gave his light, throws them away, he said, “Those things taste like…”
Tom: How long does that hold up? Right after the show, maybe he’s still in the hypnotic stage of some sort? How long does that last?
Rick: Depends on the suggestion and what he wants. The thing is I will always tell them they will never smoke again. I always tell them that, because I’m very anti-smoking and it’s not good for you. Chances are I would say a high percentage of them, and I’ll go on the conservative side, 60 to 70 percent won’t smoke again. The good thing about it is was the other 30 percent, they experienced that it’s real and that they know that they have an out if they want to take it.
The last thing people try is hypnosis. First thing they try is medicine, pills all that stuff.
Tom: The patch or whatever, yeah.
Rick: I don’t know if you’ve seen it, but I put it on Facebook. I put it just for the new medicine out there, there’s a list this long, as long as my arm, of side effects, all the way down to dying. I listed the effects of hypnosis. There was nothing. It’s so safe. Effectiveness…I don’t take people unless I know they’re ready.
Tom: Let’s talk about the show business side of it. I find this fascinating. I was at stand-up comedy for a number of years. I worked with a lot of hypnotists over the years, saw them do their act, and it always blew me away how people reacted. First of all, what kind of a person comes up on stage to be hypnotized on stage? Is there a common thread?
Rick: I think there has to be a common thread of one thing. I find it a combination of people who have never been in the spotlight, but want to be. Then I find a combination of people that think they belong in the spotlight.
It’s more successful, if I was to break it down, the people that want to come up and shine than the ones who think they belong in the spotlight. I always tell everybody, our outwardly behavior isn’t what’s going on in here.
I did this show one time, it’s probably been five, six years ago, in South Dakota, and it was a corporate thing. I had this lady was just all over me before the show, “I’ve got to come up. I’ve got to come up.” “OK, fine, just come on up.”
Then there was this lady just sitting in the corner, minding her own business, and after my pre-talk, I asked for some volunteers. Both the ladies came up. The lady who I always say “Runs around with her hair on fire at work.” I excused her.
The lady that sat next to her in a cubicle for 17 years, and all they knew is that she had three kids and was married, was the star of the show, because she allowed herself to be who she wanted to be for an hour, subconsciously.
We all have fantasies in our subconscious mind that we want to fulfill [laughs] . Sometimes in show business you’ve got to be careful of which fantasies you’re letting them fulfill, because you’ll get some stuff.
Tom: So yes, we all put on different faces for different people. How I react to you would be different from how I react to a girlfriend or how I’d react to parents or a boss or whatever else. So we all put on these different faces, and you say that people who go on stage at a hypnosis show, they want to let all of that down and just show who they see themselves inside?
Rick: I don’t think they come on stage with that in mind. I think they come on stage with the mind that, “I want to have a good time.”
I’ve got to build that rapport. If I don’t build a rapport with these people, they don’t like me. I could set 50 people in front of me, and all 50 are going to leave that stage, because they’ve got to trust me. After all, I’m taking them into places where they don’t know where they’re going.
Like I said, “Hypnosis is very safe,” but to them, it’s fearful. I’ve got to break through all those phobias and stuff. The biggest phobia I’ve got to break through is they’re afraid to say something about somebody they work with.
I’m like, “Listen,” my big thing is, when I get on stage I said, “Look, if you don’t like Sally, she already knows it.” Everybody just starts laughing. Heck, you’re probably not sitting with her, are you? “No.” So, it kind of breaks down those walls.
The funny thing about shows is the people in the audience that go up, because those are the people that always go, “Oh, you can’t hypnotize me.” I cannot tell you how many people said, “I’m un-hypnotizable,” and I’m bringing them in from the audience because it sneaks up on you.
You start to feel relaxed. It’s a great feeling. It’s not “I’m beating you over the head with a chicken or something,” you just start to relax. Once you do, you just go.
Tom: I’ve been hypnotized a few times. It is a very relaxing feeling. When the people are there on the stage…First of all, how do you decide your act then because that’s the other thing? You’ve got to put together an act to get these people to do things, to make it entertaining. How do you develop that? Is there a standard hypnosis set?
Tom: And you go, “OK, here you go,” and you make them cry like a baby. “Here you go,” and you make the men breastfeed. “Here you go,” and I mean, act like a chicken. Are there just standard stuff that every hypnotist does?
Rick: Honestly, if you’ve seen something done in hypnosis, it’s been done before. It’s how you inject your personality into it. It’s no different than when you did stand-up. Everybody talks about relationships. It’s your own personal experiences and how you get them across to the audience. Do I have some original material? Yes, I do, but it’s how you inject your own personality.
Then again, you’ve got to remember when every night is different, because I could have 10 people on stage one night and 6 the other, and 4, and maybe even 2. It all depends on their personality, and most importantly on how deep they are.
You can make them see things that aren’t there, or you can make them not see things that are there. Again, that’s a depth perception in hypnosis, and what will happen is, during the show, they’ll go deep. They’ll come back up. They’ll go deep, come back up, and then sooner or later what they do is, they feed off each other. I hope I’m answering your question. Go back to that original question.
Tom: We were talking about how you get your act all put together.
Rick: You do things like perception differences. You change their surroundings. You go to the beach, smells, all that kind of stuff.
So, yes and no, a lot of hypnotists do some of the same things, but you have to interject your own material in there. You have to take them on a venture. Every venture could be different, because like I said, I could write out a script and hang it on the wall like a band does, and then find out whoever I have on stage, I can only do four of those things, so then I’ve really got to ad lib.
Tom: Why? Because either they’re not hypnotized, or their personalities are not the right type for what you want to do? What do you mean, you can only do four of those?
Rick: They’re not deep enough. In other words, one of the big things I like to do, which is really funny, is I like to tell them, when I open up my show, is the first thing I like to do is, this tells me how deep they are and where they’re at.
I turn around, talk to the audience. I’m your boss. You see the back of my pants ripped out. My butt’s real hairy, and I’ve got pink thong on. Now the first thing I do is I turn around. I wait for the crowd response. I gauge the crowd response to how well they’re doing. Then I will turn around and try to catch them laughing, and that’s when it will escalate from there.
Now the ones that don’t see it, doesn’t mean that they’re not hypnotized. It just means that they’re not deep enough to see that suggestion that I’ve given them. Later on in the show, they could be the biggest star of the show.
A lot of people say, “How do you tell if somebody’s faking it?” Well, you can. It’s very easy because of their body language and everything. What I’ve found out over the years is that just because somebody’s faking it, as long as they’re going along with it. Even I have one or two people every once in a while, they’re faking it. They think they’re fooling me, but they’re not.
What I know is as long as they’re not being disruptive, and they’re following my commands, “Sleep. Put your head down. Close your eyes.” They’ll go under. Once they go under, they forget everything. It’s that little game you play, because there’s always somebody that wants to try to mess up your game.
Tom: What is the one thing that you have people do, but you only have them do it when the crowd is completely with you, and the people are way down under and it’s like, “OK, this is kind of risky, but tonight’s the night to pull this routine.” What is it, and how do they react?
Rick: I would say it depends on the setting of the show. Corporate — what I would do is I do a, and this is something I wrote myself, I do a cow-milking contest. One of the contestants has a bull. Of course, nobody else knows he has a bull, so he has to fake the competition.
At the end of it, I give everybody else different commands. Somebody’s kicking the bucket over. The cow is passing gas in the other person’s face. This person’s getting licked by the cow. This person’s cow is kicking the bucket over.
But the main focus is the guy with the bull. So at the end of it, he’s faking it. He’s doing whatever he can to fake it. And the end of it, again, it depends on how the crowd reacts. This is at a corporate show. If they’re into it, I can tell how far I can go.
I snap my fingers. It’s a tie. Everybody’s bucket is full the same with whatever your cow or other put out. So I snap my fingers. Well, they look down at it. It’s called a pricing game because what I do is now is I turn it into, “Well we have a tie. I’ve got to have a drinking contest. We’ve got to drink it. Whoever drinks it the fastest.”
This guy’s over there just going, “Uh-uh!” So then it turns into a “give you a hundred thousand.” The highest guy I ever had was 10 million, and then he would drink it. The lowest guy was 10 thousand. So it’s kind of that funny, that cow game thing.
Tom: We know what you are, we’re just negotiating price.
Rick: Yeah, and it’s funny to see, because the people out in the audience learn a lot about who that person is. Again, it’s the deepest person that I have usually that I do that with. In a club setting, because I do all type of shows. I’m coming up on post-prom season right now. I’ll probably do 22 of them. That’s a whole different story. That one, the roller coaster ride for prom season, tops because that one there for the high school. I call them young adults. I don’t like to call them students. I will give them all different.
They’re going to take their first roller coaster ride, go 300 feet to the top. I give them all different suggestions. One of them, I’ll give a suggestion that the higher we go, the more they’ve got to go potty. So at the end of the thing I’m ignoring them, and they’re trying to get my attention. They’ve got to go bad and they’re sooner or later going, “I’ve got to go potty! I’ve got to go potty!”
Then what I’ll do is I go, “OK. I’ll tap you on the head three times. You’ll feel like you’re going potty.” Then their facial expression just [noise] , and the parents just love it.
Tom: Has anybody actually pissed themselves while they were doing that?
Rick: No, because you tell them they won’t. I’ve had people almost throw up because of smells which I’ve sensed. That was years ago. Since, I’ve re-worded everything, but some people get to the point where even after you’ve said that, I think they might.
Again, it’s all about the description and then, their experience. If they’ve smelt something before that’s so bad, in their mind, they’re back there. I can’t control all that, but I can control their reaction with their bodily functions, if you will.
Then on the club side of it, the biggest thing that I do that people like is I will switch around body parts. I will wake everybody up, and say, “All your personal body parts are gone.” So they’re gone.
I’ll say, “Somebody in the audience has them.” So I’ll find a guy or girl in the audience and say, “They’ve got your body parts.” They’re mad. I’ll ask each one, “Why do you need them back?” You can imagine the kinds of answers I’m getting from the guys.
Then what I’ll do is I’ll say, “OK, I’m negotiating with this guy. I’m going to give them back to you. On the count of three, you’ll have them all back. The only problem will be, there’ll be a mix-up. The guys will have the girls’. The girls will have the guys’. Boom.” The expressions on their face.
In a club setting, again, I take it a step farther. I put vibrating seats in there. So I tell them, “Every time you hear the vibrating sound, your seat vibrates, and it feels good on that new body part you got.” They get into positions that you would never think of because it feels good when they get into that position.
Tom: Have you ever tried a bit and then afterwards said, “Oh, I probably shouldn’t do that.” Have you ever felt embarrassed, or ashamed, or regretful of anything you’ve done on stage?
Rick: Yes. Yes. I’ve since changed how I do it. We still do it, but I’ve given women orgasms on stage. [laughs]
Tom: I want to hear it. I would imagine that would be one of your more popular bits.
Rick: It is a popular bit, but here is the problem that happened that night. I remember it vividly. It was New Year’s Eve night. I had three guys and three girls. Of course, the guys I do stuff to them and in a different way, because I don’t want to be responsible for their orgasm, but for this particular girl. Again, I don’t know…
Tom: [laughs] By the way, that is a sentence I never thought I’d hear a guy say. “I don’t want to be responsible for her orgasm.”
Rick: No, his orgasm.
Tom: I misunderstood. I’m sorry.
Rick: Well here was the thing. I’ll say it quickly. Three guys, three girls, and again, I don’t know what these people were doing before they got there. I don’t know what state of mind they were in, whether they were happy or sad. I just know at this point in time, the women are all happy.
I’ll tell them simple stuff. I’ll rub my head or I’ll tap my forehead, and you have the most intense orgasm you’ve ever had before in your life. Then I will intensify it.
They’re going there. They’re there. Once I tell them that it’ll intensify, the subconscious mind takes over, and there they are. They’re wiggling all over and having the physical signs of an orgasm. Again, I don’t know what’s going on because they have clothes on.
This particular girl, I gave her an orgasm, and then what I do is I always give, “Who’s this lovely lady with? I’m going to give you this power for the next three hours so that you can have fun with it. This is my gift to you for letting me…”
Well, at the end of the show, excused everybody and you just notice stuff. Out of the corner of my eye, I noticed they were over there arguing. The girl, and I think it was her husband. Finally one of her girlfriends came up and said, “You’ve got to come over here and take that spell off of her.” I’m like, “OK, why?”
So I go over there, and obviously they had had a big fight before they got there. She would not let him touch her on the forehead, but every time I went to do it, she would let me and go right back into her orgasm bit, OK? So I’m all of the sudden the bad guy. You see where this is going.
Rick: This guy wants to take me outside and pound me into the ground because his wife won’t let him. I’m like, “Look, I’m going to take care of this real quick.” I snapped her out of it. I pulled the guy aside, explained to him, “Look, this is an entertainment thing. Whatever you guys are arguing about is your deal. No, nothing.”
So now I’m very careful about when I do that bit. If the guy is susceptible to it, if he’s drunk, I won’t even try it. Won’t even attempt it, because you know drunks — one minute they’re happy, the next minute they want to kill you.
So those are fun, because the guys do like it. I had a lady one night actually after the show propose to me.
Tom: [laughs] That must have been a hell of an orgasm you gave her.
Rick: She tapped me on the shoulder, and I didn’t even know she was standing there. I looked at her, and she goes, “You’ve got to marry me.” I said, “That’d be impossible because I’m already married, but I thank you for that.”
It’s fun. I love what I do and sometimes I don’t believe I get paid for it.
Tom: Are there hypnotist groupies? I mean, I know musicians when they entertain, comedians when they entertain. Are there women like hypnotist groupies?
Rick: Women and men, and the ones that I call that want to come up on stage all the time, those are my hypno-whores. They’ll go out in the light, and they’ll do anything you want them to do.
If I do the same club a lot, I’ll vary who comes up. Some nights, the crowd’s not as receptive. I’ve got my hypno-whores to go to. Bring them up. It’s a great show. Everybody’s happy. They’re happy. Their husband’s happy.
I do have people that follow my shows. One guy was totally convinced one night because, again, he was drunk. He followed me around for 30 minutes after the show, and he said, you know how drunks talk, “You are fake”. I’m like, “What’s wrong?”
He goes, “You know that stuff ain’t real.” I’m like, “You know what?” I learned a long time ago never argue with a drunk, so I said, “You’re right, man. Come here. You’re right. You caught me. I flew in town six hours ago. We picked these people out. We acted this out. You’re 100 percent right. Don’t tell anybody.”
The next thing you know, he’s flying all over the room telling everybody what I said. It was hilarious. It was almost as good as the show, because he’s like, “I told you.” So it was a pretty good deal.
Tom: Last question. What is the one thing that people need to know about hypnosis?
Rick: A, that it’s safe. B, you’re not going to do anything under hypnosis that you wouldn’t normally do, which that’s a gray area because a lot of people go, “Well, I take my clothes off in public.” I’m not going to ask you to take your clothes off, but I get what you’re saying.
If I could get people to rob banks, I wouldn’t be sitting here doing podcasts with you, I’d be in the back room counting my money. You know what I mean? Because they wouldn’t remember who they gave it to. It is a very valid way to make change in your life positively.
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